[W1] kc 341 - 336 cB

I think it just not worth ro reply to a some kind of shit like you, no reason to bother myself doing it. Be glad you got a reply from me, not sure if you will ever get it again. Have a nice day!

It is a little bit too late to realize that this conditionnal list is a tissue of lies, helping some clans and penalizing others...

Your criterias for saying that this player or another should be on that list are just weaker and weaker in the end, and you're not even able to explain why some players are on it.

Talking about videos containing suspicious things, have you ever seen Anto or even Kiver in one of them ? Showing something concrete ? I personnally didn't. If they were players coming from nowhere having never uploaded a single video, I would have understood this decision. Should we penalize players only because they are stronger than others ? I call this jealousy. Jealousy is everywhere, not just on MKW.
I can say without bragging that KC is more advanced than any other clans : we have strategies for every votes, for every tracks, for every shocks we use, we rarely do mistakes, our teamplay, our communication, and above all our friendship. All those things are our strength, we don't need to cheat.

Kiver's reputation just got destroyed because of rusoX (irony), and now that he has touched the ground he decided recently to retire/take a break. You may not see him playing IL anymore.

Anyways, Sousui exaggerated a little but there is some truth in what he says... even if he became some schizophrenic "passe-muraille" or whatever.

Fasuke wrote:I think it just not worth ro reply to a some kind of shit like you, no reason to bother myself doing it. Be glad you got a reply from me, not sure if you will ever get it again. Have a nice day!

So basically you haven't got anything constructive or productive to say? Shouldn't you have left the game ages ago when your mates did rather than cling on to a bunch of no hopers like the rest of cB, surely you can rise above that Fasuke?

i'm sure that everyone can agree on that they could care less what skeptas opinion is on since he was a nobody, is a nobody, and will always be a nobody. So why don't you go back to your plethora of friends and leave this debate to clans/players who are actually in division 1.

Not quoting Sousui's long post but here's a few points.

1. I've consistently been scoring 80-110 in my last 15 wars or so that I was fortunate enough to play in. So for everyone's "suspicious players scoring high" I fulfill that. Eirik being on conditionals is because he hacked many years ago, so he's doing it to prevent any doubt that he still hacks.

2. Saying cB and Fw run this league is far from the truth. cB has 4 people in staff (that's including council). Which is still a small number compared to the total number of staff members and council members.

3. Saying I'm doing it as appeasement or to keep other people off the list is comical. In fact, many cB members were voted upon by council members and they weren't voted in. Oh another thing about the voting before you say cB was biased again, no fellow clan mates were allowed to vote on each other. So I couldn't vote for any cB members, no Fw members could vote for other Fw members etc.

4. Saying I am doing this for my image? Do you even know me? I detest a large number of people in this community for childish behaviors, a prime example being Skepta who is doing a better job at immaturity than the 12 year olds of this community. I personally don't care what people think of me, nor will I ever care of what an online community thinks of me. I make videos because I enjoy it, I play this game because I enjoy it, I do stuff for this league because I want to continue playing this game. Now, unfortunately, my internet hasn't allowed me to do that for almost a month, but I was already committed into doing this so I'm sticking it out.

5. While I understand that certain clans have a lot more than others, you could make the argument that many clans have none at all? Why is that? Because they haven't shown "suspicious behavior." I always use quotes on suspicious behavior because it can represent many things and can be assumed arbitrary by people or by being biased. Look at Division 4 (the one I'm administrating), there are ZERO people on conditionals.

Now grant it, there can easily have been an overdose to certain clans but that's typically what happens when one clan is found to have a hacker in it, or when someone comes out of nowhere. That's pretty much how I see this happened. I am glad to say that I have no suspicions of anyone in my own clan and no one from cB has ever been caught hacking and if someone did, they would be kicked immediately, no questions asked. Same goes for many other clans. There are far fewer clans with people on conditional list than not.

I have another question, who nominate players to be watched and voted into the council, in order to put them on the conditional list ?
Because anyway, I think it's a bad idea to do that for players when there is no suspicious proof ( videos ).

Let’s take an example : what if I ask to council to vote for an unknown player from the major part of the community, from a small clan, which plays in division 18, which nobody cares about and doesn't look who is playing in ? This player is a real hacker, but atm he can't be caught on a video to prove it. So he is a real hacker, but nobody knows him. So the council who didn't know anything about him will vote “no” because they don't have any opinion about him. But if some council members did their job in a better way, wanting to get to know him they could ask to friends what do they know about him, if they like him, etc. They will say he doesn't hack, except if they have some personal issues with him or are hater from his team, then in this case they will say he probably hacks.

What I’m trying to explain is : the way this list is done can't be good, because it's only from biased/personal opinion and not from facts ( proves, videos, or anything who is really true ). The votes “yes” and “no" are only here for what you really think of this player. So it can only be an error to apply a rule or make a list based on this.

If players think someone is hacking, and there is nothing against him and he is not in the conditional list, then it's you who have to record what you will see and show to the community what is suspicious or what you think is hack. Until that, you can't oblige a player to prove he is not hacking, but you can ask him and he can accept or not. He can also prove by himself he is not hacking if it's a problem for him being accused.

I give you another example from IRL ( because I know a lot of people like comparing video games’ rules to IRL rules ) : if you think your neighbor killed someone and still have the body in his house ( because some of your other neighbors told you that ), you can't go to the police and oblige him to open his house and to prove he has no dead body there, without any proof of what you’re saying.

Well, I hope you all now understand what I meant. And I hope all players concerned who have been put on that list because of "suspicions", will be removed.

Alright, Eirik has talked with me.

I've read all the posts now, many making good points, many being stupid.

The decision is a -50 deduction for Kiver. He didn't have good luck this war anyway, and kc did win without the penalties. Kiver was also never corrected on this but he DID break a rule. I don't see enough guilt to go -100 or -0 on this, I thought this was fair.

The best point though was made by Bounty regarding the other 4 clans being effected by cB getting the bonus point. So I'll just reply with this: I just couldn't make a 100 point or 0 point deduction choice, both clans had many things pointing toward their direction. I apologize for the inconvenience in this but I don't believe this will affect the other 4 clans that much.

I'm locking this thread now to prevent further flame. If you want to complain at me, do it when you see me available on skype. (rookie_mk)

Kiver, make sure you stream your setting if you play in future matches. Tables will be up tomorrow, I have homework to do now but I MAY be able to do it tonight if I get done quickly.