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    Let's actually be productive

    Post by VSchainMKW on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:27 pm

    Hey, I'm Vik from Charged Brigade and this is a bit unusual for me to post in the "Announcement" section; however, I felt the need to do so. Since council isn't allowed to deal with situations pertaining to Divisions of the League, I don't see any other way to get this through without making a public message.

    As many of us have noticed, especially in Division 1, IL got off on a sloppy start. Please understand that I'm not pointing fingers and throwing blames at clans/admins. The reason I'm making this post is to propose a solution. That's a fact; it was simply a rushed start and that showed. Within the Division 1 conferences, 5 total clans have dropped out/died. I don't how many people enjoy playing only 3 teams within their conference, but I find it a complete waste of time.

    We're not too deep into the season to take a new approach into consideration. Since Division 1 is pretty messed up, I propose removing these Conferences within Divisions and just making them into Divisions like WCL functioned. An old friend of mine use to say "if it's not broken, don't fix it." These conferences don't provide any margin of error for situations like so or in cases where there has to be a move around/bump up. At least I would like to do so for Division 1 because we can combine both conferences. Now I'm coming closer to my point. Only 4 weeks have gone by and it would make more sense to restart the season for Division 1 with the remaining active clans. For those that have been doing phenomenal, this won't be a pleasant post to read. My apologies in advanced. For those that believe that it's "too late," I would like to add that AR went completely off the radar for a good 4 weeks. They completed all 4 matches within 1 week, so the shortage of time is not a question.

    There are clans that drop out due to inactivity that results in the closing of the clan, and there are clans that drop out due to selfish reasons. If the clan is stable and able to war, then there's nothing else to describe it other than being selfish. Meanwhile there are potential clans that could join if we do consider restarting.

    For those that will be against this and will start getting aggressive, at least I'm trying to do something. During the week that we had off from IL, absolutely nothing was done when the entire purpose of it was to get back on track. Right now there's nobody that is even trying to find a solution. At this rate there will not be a second season to IL if nothing is done when there are issues that are looking at you in the face. I'm hoping that this post will get something started. Whether it's something small or even the idea I proposed, something needs to happen. If you got this far, thank you for your time!


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by yasha on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:32 pm

    With how IL is going right now something needs to be done. We need to take action now or we can say good bye to IL.
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    Post by tobtheking2 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:37 pm

    Not only Division 1 (y)
    For Example in "my" Conference Nt und UK actually died and just look at the Goomba Conference in Division 3... no comment D:

    Well but the problem is why everyone should agree to restart the League? And who should lead it ? Sry Eirik (well you openend the league etc. etc.) but now really !7 is playing their Week 6 Match and 2nd Team their fifth Match (think) and some Council Decision aren't done after like 2-3 Weeks ...
    I'm not sure this will work for a long time ._.


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    Post by Bounty on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:26 am

    I'd be willing to help, since I have more time than I expected to have.


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by VSchainMKW on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:38 am

    See we have a council, but it deals with nearly nothing and we're not allowed to move into structural discussions which I don't approve of. I'm hoping the people with some power will have more of a lenient choice as to what they can address too.


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by Zero on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:58 am

    whatever happens lets overthrow king eirik plz
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    Post by Rookie on Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:25 am

    Surprisingly, Rv and iS both played this week after being thought dead, maybe they'll continue. I'll be honest, Eirik doesn't seem to have put much effort into this in the last few weeks, and we need someone else to be active and run it.

    "if it's not broken, don't fix it."

    I like this idea. I think we should continue with the regular WCL structure. everybody likes it. I also think we should only take clans who complete this season for next season, and to use the WCL structure for it. Playoffs will simply not work at this rate.


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    Post by Baseh on Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:52 am

    I really don't think playoffs is a good idea, I would have personally preferred the old WCL way of organising like most of us would.

    Also, this is a bit off topic but can we change the default day/time for IL? Since the default time for Australia would be at 4am monday morning when most of us have school and therefore can't play. This has been a big issue for me and my clan since most clans (at least in my division) have been un willing to reschedule and that gives us a huge disadvantage for organising. Hopefully something gets done about the organisation of IL and the time. If we were to restart, Up wouldn't drop out.


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by BlackMagic on Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:22 pm

    I like the ideas here. I definitely think it would be better to have one large D1. Too many teams dropped from there and it's just too sad to watch seeing how it's suppose to be the best division. I definitely think that the playoffs should just be canceled at least for this season. Maybe it can be tried again another season when IL is more stable. (assuming there's another season).

    As for right now, we have 3 teams that will potentially start filling some of the voids in D3/D4. SoS will hopefully be taking a spot in D4 Conference 2. Still getting around to the other teams and asking if they'd like to join to fill in some of the voids we have in divisions. Hopefully they'll say yes so we can get some more competition and less free wins in the divisions ^^
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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by TK64 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:50 pm

    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f26/s-s-speed-sound-93295.html <--- could take any D3/D4 place
    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f26/m-mer-iful-95845.html <--- could take any D3/D4 place
    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f26/np-nasty-plot-97236.html <--- could take vc's place
    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f26/cl-pse-97012.html <--- pretty much Rv2, could easily take their place
    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f26/d-delta-stars-92463.html <--- could take any D2/D3 place

    need I say more?

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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by Boshi on Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:08 pm

    Forget playoffs, actually at least in my opinion most clans just want to have the old system from the wcl with most of the old rules from it. Actually I never got the idea of changing the whole thing but w/e that's the thing from the admins and not my cup of tea. ^^
    6-10 divisions (depends how many clans will play next season), one admin per division and after the season maybe a small championship with the winners of the divisions if you really want and that's it.

    Finish this season and maybe get some replace teams for the divisions. I think 5 weeks are left? Would be a good time to do this in my opinion. Nferno would play with a team for the last weeks if this helps in someway. And next season we most likely want to enter two teams.
    Get more teams or get some back. There are so many around like ST, Ghost Wheel, BF (I don't know if japanese clans want to play in a league but w/e xD) or other teams TK64 posted you just know from the mkwii sites. I think with some work you really can make this league work but for now I don't see the motivation like I remember from WCL. (I remember this season with guizben...was so good and showed that it's not impossible to make a league without Bash if the community really want)

    If there is anyway to help here I have like enough time for now and some other nfo members too. I still enjoy the idea of having a league for mario kart wii and there are enough other players around that think in the same way. <3





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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by VSchainMKW on Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:00 am

    Well said TK. I'm sure Legion XIII is stable enough to also claim a position. So far I'm hearing many of the same responses and that's great. It shows how many people have their preferences and it gives them the chance to speak out.


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    Post by Larrsauce on Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:59 am

    TK64 wrote:
    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f26/m-mer-iful-95845.html <--- could take any D3/D4 place


    need I say more?

    Merciful would be willing to play in D3/4. We actually were discussing this last night. Our only issues are with the stability of the league, and how it is being organised at this time, and we have people playing for other clans at the moment, such as A7.Oh and marlin who's a dumbass and registered for SoS.
    Brutally honest, I hate the structure of the league. Yes, wcl was just matches with a fancy table to be filled in, but it worked. Everyone liked it so I still don't understand why it was changed. With the two conference playoff type format, this allowed for weaker clans to have to move up and play higher clans in a division. This creates such a huge diversity between lowest and highest in some cases. I also don't believe in the fact that there are twelve clans who can say they are Division 1, in my mind there are only about 6-8 clans who can truly say that, maybe less with the clans who have died.

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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by DekuMask on Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:18 am

    Something has to happen indeed. If this dies, someone else will make another new WCL, et cetera. Until people get serious about it, sooner now than in a year.
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    Post by Bounty on Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:38 pm

    I don't know why people are mentioning the play offs ruining things since the league has got to this point before the play offs have even came.


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by VSchainMKW on Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:18 am

    Bounty has a point. No need to discuss something that hasn't yet happened when we can discuss what's going on currently.


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by Larrsauce on Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:44 pm

    http://www.mariokartwii.com/f53/f-flow-49252-1321.html#post4863600 <-
    Just thought I would mention this. Why change what's not broken? WCL wasn't broken, so why change the format of it and add in playoffs. All I'm going to say Smile



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    Post by Bounty on Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:16 pm

    I never said it should be changed, I simply stated that people are blaming the new play offs system when it hasn't even been implemented yet. They are focusing on a possible future problem rather than the problems we have to actually deal with atm.


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    Post by Larrsauce on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:29 am

    Ahh. Alrighty, I misunderstood you. You're right though, they are focusing on things that are yet to come that haven't played out, instead of focusing on the problems that are playing out right now.


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    Re: Let's actually be productive

    Post by VSchainMKW on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:51 am

    Larrsauce wrote:http://www.mariokartwii.com/f53/f-flow-49252-1321.html#post4863600 <-
    Just thought I would mention this. Why change what's not broken?


    Umm, I might be crazy, but I think i mentioned that Shocked


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