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    Single Shrooms.

    Post by Baseh on Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:58 pm

    I have seen some people in this forum saying that players got single shrooms in a bottom spot because all the power items were taken by another player. Some people even thought that if someone were to get a single shroom in a bottom position, there was someone GURU'ing in the room.

    Recently, I had a 5v5 vs Avail, I blew out at the start of the race so I got in last instantly. When I approached the FIRST set of item boxes lap 1 in 10th / 9th (not exactly sure) I got a single shroom, unfortunately I couldn't record this. This would destroy the theory that the reason people get single shrooms in a bottom spot is because everyone is holding a power item.

    What's your opinion on this? Do you think there is a correlation between single shrooms in a bottom spot and hacking? I think there might be now.

    Also, I'm not calling hacks on anyone at all, that's irrelevant.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Larrsauce on Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:03 pm

    Was wondering the same thing. Tbh I don't like the myth of single shrooms in bottom positions = hacks, but the reasoning behind why it isn't hacks when people call hacks just gets completely blown out of the water when something like this happens. I think this just proves that someone is hacking, or the fact single shrooms in last does not mean hacks, no matter what.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Zoom on Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:46 pm

    I actually had a conversation about coolguy about this topic...

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    [11/29/2012 10:55:08 PM] Zoom: hey cool, do you still have the pic of the items chart?
    [11/29/2012 10:57:10 PM] ¢: no i havent had that in a while
    [11/29/2012 10:57:13 PM] ¢: why do you ask?
    [11/29/2012 10:57:35 PM] Zoom: cause i was in a war; and our team mates got single shrooms in 9th and 10th
    [11/29/2012 10:57:50 PM] Zoom: i just wanted to see if it was possible without the use of hacks (worry)
    [11/29/2012 10:57:57 PM] ¢: the cause of that happening is still not yet detirmined
    [11/29/2012 10:58:03 PM] ¢: under normal situations it shouldnt happen
    [11/29/2012 10:58:10 PM] ¢: it may be because of guru's but thats not confirmed
    [11/29/2012 10:58:20 PM] ¢: it can be because all of the items are being held but it's unlikely
    [11/29/2012 10:58:39 PM] Zoom: i see... hmm... thanks for your opinion Smile
    [11/29/2012 10:59:05 PM] ¢: np
    [11/29/2012 10:59:08 PM] ¢: but it's not an opinion
    [11/29/2012 10:59:13 PM] ¢: everything i said is a fact
    [11/29/2012 10:59:14 PM] ¢: Razz
    [11/29/2012 10:59:17 PM] Zoom: o:
    [11/29/2012 10:59:27 PM] Zoom: cause i heard that if you get shrooms in 7th or lower
    [11/29/2012 10:59:34 PM] Zoom: its bc of guru's
    [11/29/2012 10:59:47 PM] ¢: possibly but it's just a rumor
    [11/29/2012 10:59:50 PM] ¢: no one has proven it
    [11/29/2012 11:00:05 PM] Zoom: [Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:58 PM] ¢:

    <<< it can be because all of the items are being held but it's unlikelythat could be true also
    [11/29/2012 11:00:21 PM] Zoom: but its unlikely stars, bills and goldens are all at once
    [11/29/2012 11:00:26 PM] ¢: i think something isnt legit when someone gets those but i dont know if it is guru's
    [11/29/2012 11:00:28 PM] ¢: =/
    [11/29/2012 11:00:32 PM] ¢: we tried proving it is
    [11/29/2012 11:00:34 PM] ¢: but we couldn't
    [11/29/2012 11:00:39 PM] ¢: someone used guru's and everything Very Happy
    [11/29/2012 11:00:48 PM] ¢: didnt get a single shroom
    [11/29/2012 11:00:52 PM] Zoom: well cause most of the players said it was guru's
    [11/29/2012 11:00:56 PM] Zoom: cause sousui was in lu
    [11/29/2012 11:01:02 PM] Zoom: and the whole hacking bg
    [11/29/2012 11:01:10 PM] ¢: ive gotten single shrooms with tons of different people
    [11/29/2012 11:01:14 PM] ¢: if it ends up being the case
    [11/29/2012 11:01:17 PM] ¢: so many people hack

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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by BlackMagic on Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:22 pm

    I don't know why this got out tbh. I'm pretty sure everyone has gotten a single shroom in 7th or lower at least once a war almost, but for those who believe that, I guess we should just ban everyone in the league since we all hack then.

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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Zoom on Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:33 pm

    Good idea Kappie!
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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Baseh on Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:45 pm

    BlackMagic wrote:I don't know why this got out tbh. I'm pretty sure everyone has gotten a single shroom in 7th or lower at least once a war almost, but for those who believe that, I guess we should just ban everyone in the league since we all hack then.

    Yes we all have, but on the first box not many people get single shrooms.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by CHEE2E12 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:40 pm

    Zoom wrote:I actually had a conversation about coolguy about this topic...

    Spoiler:
    [11/29/2012 10:55:08 PM] Zoom: hey cool, do you still have the pic of the items chart?
    [11/29/2012 10:57:10 PM] ¢: no i havent had that in a while
    [11/29/2012 10:57:13 PM] ¢: why do you ask?
    [11/29/2012 10:57:35 PM] Zoom: cause i was in a war; and our team mates got single shrooms in 9th and 10th
    [11/29/2012 10:57:50 PM] Zoom: i just wanted to see if it was possible without the use of hacks (worry)
    [11/29/2012 10:57:57 PM] ¢: the cause of that happening is still not yet detirmined
    [11/29/2012 10:58:03 PM] ¢: under normal situations it shouldnt happen
    [11/29/2012 10:58:10 PM] ¢: it may be because of guru's but thats not confirmed
    [11/29/2012 10:58:20 PM] ¢: it can be because all of the items are being held but it's unlikely
    [11/29/2012 10:58:39 PM] Zoom: i see... hmm... thanks for your opinion Smile
    [11/29/2012 10:59:05 PM] ¢: np
    [11/29/2012 10:59:08 PM] ¢: but it's not an opinion
    [11/29/2012 10:59:13 PM] ¢: everything i said is a fact
    [11/29/2012 10:59:14 PM] ¢: Razz
    [11/29/2012 10:59:17 PM] Zoom: o:
    [11/29/2012 10:59:27 PM] Zoom: cause i heard that if you get shrooms in 7th or lower
    [11/29/2012 10:59:34 PM] Zoom: its bc of guru's
    [11/29/2012 10:59:47 PM] ¢: possibly but it's just a rumor
    [11/29/2012 10:59:50 PM] ¢: no one has proven it
    [11/29/2012 11:00:05 PM] Zoom: [Thursday, November 29, 2012 10 PM] ¢:

    <<< it can be because all of the items are being held but it's unlikelythat could be true also
    [11/29/2012 11:00:21 PM] Zoom: but its unlikely stars, bills and goldens are all at once
    [11/29/2012 11:00:26 PM] ¢: i think something isnt legit when someone gets those but i dont know if it is guru's
    [11/29/2012 11:00:28 PM] ¢: =/
    [11/29/2012 11:00:32 PM] ¢: we tried proving it is
    [11/29/2012 11:00:34 PM] ¢: but we couldn't
    [11/29/2012 11:00:39 PM] ¢: someone used guru's and everything Very Happy
    [11/29/2012 11:00:48 PM] ¢: didnt get a single shroom
    [11/29/2012 11:00:52 PM] Zoom: well cause most of the players said it was guru's
    [11/29/2012 11:00:56 PM] Zoom: cause sousui was in lu
    [11/29/2012 11:01:02 PM] Zoom: and the whole hacking bg
    [11/29/2012 11:01:10 PM] ¢: ive gotten single shrooms with tons of different people
    [11/29/2012 11:01:14 PM] ¢: if it ends up being the case
    [11/29/2012 11:01:17 PM] ¢: so many people hack

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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Bounty on Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:31 pm

    This happened to me once to in a WW. I got the first cube in 12th and got a single shroom on MvH and Sp Aqua spammed a bill instantly in 11th first box a long time ago.


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    Post by Larrsauce on Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:34 pm

    Ok so does this mean you think Aqua hacks, or that it's just purely part of the game, getting single shrooms in bottom positions? Like really, I'm getting sort of fed up with people saying oh single shroom in last blatant hacks and shit. Yea, it's a piss off, but I don't believe that it's hacks, but at the same time I don't believe this myth is completely faulty.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Bounty on Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:41 pm

    I think he got hacking at one point, not sure though, I might be thinking of someone else. That aside, it's more to back up Baseh's point that the dodger theory can't be true, unless all dodgers were obtained at the first set of cubes and if that happened, I'd think someone was hacking.


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    Post by Larrsauce on Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:57 pm

    Yeah I don't think you can pull all the dodges first set. Which backs up Base's theory, but does it prove single shrooms in bottom spots are hacks, or just part of the item roulette?


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Bounty on Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:14 pm

    I do not know.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by LoneWolf on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:09 pm

    This is just from personal experience. I remember in a war vs Meteor it was on bc3 i was in 9th and baird was in 10th and he had shock. No one else was around us and he used shock for his clan and we were near the last set of boxes on bc3. So on my screen I hit the box in 10th and i spammed my item and pulled the bill. Mean while baird had hit another box and it said he was in 10th and he got the single shroom. That situation i think the game wanted to give baird the bill in 10th but since i hit the box in 10th and i spammed my item roulette it gave it to me and since i had it baird cant have it the game gave him the single shroom. The theory on the single shroom meaning some1 is guruing is not proven i dont really think its true cause theres so many situations it happens randomly. I chained shock in last and got a single shroom i think it just randomly happens cause of lag mainly.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Agosta44 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:42 pm

    Single mushroom is the fallback item etc etc


    No one accepts this so not going to bother continuing.

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    Post by flc on Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:57 am

    it's too much to expect of a community as retarded as this to understand the concept of latency, agosta. let's just leave the children to figure it out for themselves and come up with the next foolproof method for catching hackers that doesn't work and gets a lot of good players banned.
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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Vettel on Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:31 am

    anyone wants to write an e-mail to Nin10do?
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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by CHEE2E12 on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:24 am



    When X = The Quantity of an Item (I) possible in play, once the maximum Quantity has been reached it is substituted by a Mushroom (M) until it re-spawns.
    (XI=M)

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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Vettel on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:20 pm

    CHEE2E12 wrote:

    When X = The Quantity of an Item (I) possible in play, once the maximum Quantity has been reached it is substituted by a Mushroom (M) until it re-spawns.
    (XI=M)

    the weird thing is just, that it happens more often now (I'm not sure about this, just saying what people told me or what I read)...and you can't say that people hold items longer now because every team is more based on shock when it happens at first item boxes
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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Larrsauce on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:39 pm

    I see 2 arrogant idiots from Imperious and a fancy table. But still no proof on anything.

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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Agosta44 on Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:00 pm

    [quote="Vettel"]
    CHEE2E12 wrote:(I'm not sure about this, just saying what people told me or what I read)


    Exactly, and neither is anyone else who claims it, which is why it's a rumor. People spread misinformation and the majority of the community will eat up whatever they are fed. People had tested to see if Guru did in fact cause people to get single mushrooms in lower placements, but nothing came of it. There is no proof. People are claiming that a war video where cB pulls 4 single mushrooms is proof of someone hacking from the other team (not cb, other people took the video as evidence). A video uploaded a few days later of an inclan cB war shows NYAP pulling a single mushroom in 9th or 10th.

    It happens. It always has, and it always will. The community is at the point where it will accuse anyone and everything of being some sort of cheating, or make use of any strategy to try and get a W. It's sad, but that's where we've come to. All of this needs to be laid to rest, as well as isos producing lag. It's not confirmed whether it's caused by the driver load speed or if Nintendo is forcing players to connect to another server. People need to stop claiming things as fact when they actually know nothing about the subject.


    Larrsauce wrote:I see 2 arrogant idiots from Imperious and a fancy table. But still no proof on anything.

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    Flaming people and acting like a douchebag isn't playing devil's advocate.
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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Baseh on Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:09 pm

    [quote="Agosta44"]
    Vettel wrote:
    CHEE2E12 wrote:(I'm not sure about this, just saying what people told me or what I read)


    Exactly, and neither is anyone else who claims it, which is why it's a rumor. People spread misinformation and the majority of the community will eat up whatever they are fed. People had tested to see if Guru did in fact cause people to get single mushrooms in lower placements, but nothing came of it. There is no proof. People are claiming that a war video where cB pulls 4 single mushrooms is proof of someone hacking from the other team (not cb, other people took the video as evidence). A video uploaded a few days later of an inclan cB war shows NYAP pulling a single mushroom in 9th or 10th.

    It happens. It always has, and it always will. The community is at the point where it will accuse anyone and everything of being some sort of cheating, or make use of any strategy to try and get a W. It's sad, but that's where we've come to. All of this needs to be laid to rest, as well as isos producing lag. It's not confirmed whether it's caused by the driver load speed or if Nintendo is forcing players to connect to another server. People need to stop claiming things as fact when they actually know nothing about the subject.


    Larrsauce wrote:I see 2 arrogant idiots from Imperious and a fancy table. But still no proof on anything.

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    Flaming people and acting like a douchebag isn't playing devil's advocate.


    I'm not even trying to get a win. Also, another point that Mega came up with is that nobody has been able to pull a single shroom in a bottom spot (Unless the item box is a shroom box) and you can't hack CTGP...coincidence?

    I'm not accusing anyone of hacking.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by flc on Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:40 pm

    CHEE2E12 wrote:

    When X = The Quantity of an Item (I) possible in play, once the maximum Quantity has been reached it is substituted by a Mushroom (M) until it re-spawns.
    (XI=M)

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    the numbers are wrong here. you can have a lot more than nine shells.

    here's how items are assigned in this game:
    - you hit an item box. your game checks to see what items are available and assigns you a free item. there are two limits to items: the number of concurrent items (we all know this: 3 stars, 2 megas, etc) and total number of items (how many of one item assigned to all players over the course of a single race). the game counts items that are from item boxes and that have been spawned on the ground.
    - if there are no free items available, you are given a single mushroom. this is why at the end of tracks with a lot of item boxes you get a lot of single shrooms in weird positions.
    - if there are free items available, it assigns one of them to you in a ratio consistent with that item table that was posted a while back.
    - this is where it gets a bit complicated. because of latency, this all happens before the host's wii even acknowledges that you have hit an item box. so you could be assigned a bill at the same time someone else is assigned a bill. if this happens, one of you is given a different item instead. this is what happens in the time that the item reel is spinning (and is why sometimes your item reel does not stop spinning even if you're mashing L). that different item can sometimes be a limited one, though, which sometimes means you get a single shroom instead of a legit item. this is what causes single shrooms below 7th and single shrooms in 1st on tracks where items can spawn from parts of the track itself (MT, to be specific).
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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Baseh on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:12 pm

    flc wrote:
    CHEE2E12 wrote:

    When X = The Quantity of an Item (I) possible in play, once the maximum Quantity has been reached it is substituted by a Mushroom (M) until it re-spawns.
    (XI=M)

    (C) Bissel Images 2012

    the numbers are wrong here. you can have a lot more than nine shells.

    here's how items are assigned in this game:
    - you hit an item box. your game checks to see what items are available and assigns you a free item. there are two limits to items: the number of concurrent items (we all know this: 3 stars, 2 megas, etc) and total number of items (how many of one item assigned to all players over the course of a single race). the game counts items that are from item boxes and that have been spawned on the ground.
    - if there are no free items available, you are given a single mushroom. this is why at the end of tracks with a lot of item boxes you get a lot of single shrooms in weird positions.
    - if there are free items available, it assigns one of them to you in a ratio consistent with that item table that was posted a while back.
    - this is where it gets a bit complicated. because of latency, this all happens before the host's wii even acknowledges that you have hit an item box. so you could be assigned a bill at the same time someone else is assigned a bill. if this happens, one of you is given a different item instead. this is what happens in the time that the item reel is spinning (and is why sometimes your item reel does not stop spinning even if you're mashing L). that different item can sometimes be a limited one, though, which sometimes means you get a single shroom instead of a legit item. this is what causes single shrooms below 7th and single shrooms in 1st on tracks where items can spawn from parts of the track itself (MT, to be specific).

    So what your trying to say is:

    That me and someone else were trying to get the Bill but the game ended up picking him thus giving me a single shroom, correct? This could actually be the most logical thing I heard today.

    But it still doesn't explain why nobody was able to get a single shroom in last while racing with CTGP (By my knowledge). Any more ideas anyone?


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    Post by Larrsauce on Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:08 am

    Agosta44 wrote:


    Flaming people and acting like a douchebag isn't playing devil's advocate.

    true enough but the fact you came back and replied is enough for me when im bored. worded that improperly to what I was trying to say but it didn't really have a point just wanted to start another forum argument in my spare time.


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    Re: Single Shrooms.

    Post by Vettel on Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:35 am

    But it still doesn't explain why nobody was able to get a single shroom in last while racing with CTGP (By my knowledge). Any more ideas anyone?

    ehmm...that just happened yesterday to me in a CTWW...it happened first boxes on digitally enhanced...and as far as I know there are not any "only shroom" boxes first items at all...I called with chucksand jake while that happened
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