[W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by ★GAZEL★ on Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:24 pm

    Bechito my pro cheers


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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Thomas on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:40 pm

    Si je dis que c'est moi Noctu c'est bon ?
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Zero on Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:03 pm

    Sorry to say BWP but I will not be deducting Noctu's points. KC gave me enough evidence to prove Noctu actually played, as the unregistered FC he used is the FC he has registered for a French league.

    [11/25/2012 3:26:43 PM] ĸ¢ Shy Guy (MKWii) / ĸα Shy Guy (MK7): [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] our MKL roster, Noctu is here with his FC, and he played with the same one today

    This matches up with the unregistered FC BWP found.

    [11/25/2012 2:26:07 PM] Merol: but used an unregistrered fc
    [11/25/2012 2:26:15 PM] Merol: we don't find it actually
    [11/25/2012 2:26:32 PM] Merol: 2538 0719 2260
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Zero on Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:21 pm

    Also, where is the conditional participation stream/recording from Michel?
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Merol14 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:23 pm

    But the point here, as I wrote above, is not whether Noctu played or not, I said we would assume it was him. The point is that clans can pass the rules at its will, and due to the fact that we followed them, we played in an unfair disadvantage (because we couldn't use our allies in better shape because Crow had to play due to his input lag). If we hadn't follwoed them, then another player could have sub him.

    But I want to make it clear that this is not against kc8k in particular. Actually we use to have a lot of awesome fair played wars against kc in general. It's just that this situation happened again in comps.

    Let's put an example to see how we are forbidden to take advantage of the rules.

    I told Michel to not upload his conditional video. Why? Because he has shown his evidence that he is innocent in his conditional case. Bounty asked for it and there it is.

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    Nobody has replied to that, but we might assume that's your bussiness. So, since he has supported his evidence that it was not him the one who was hacking in a ww, we aren't going to upload his vids despite that he's still in the conditional list. Noctu could play without sanctions because he could prove that he has registrered that fc in other leagues despite that it wasn't registrered here according to rules. So Michel will play because he has shown his evidence to be innocente despite being in the conditional list.

    I think it's a fair deal.
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by tobtheking2 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:04 am

    inb4, both Teams -100 king


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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Arpegio on Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:46 am

    Merol14 wrote:But the point here, as I wrote above, is not whether Noctu played or not, I said we would assume it was him. The point is that clans can pass the rules at its will, and due to the fact that we followed them, we played in an unfair disadvantage (because we couldn't use our allies in better shape because Crow had to play due to his input lag). If we hadn't follwoed them, then another player could have sub him.

    But I want to make it clear that this is not against kc8k in particular. Actually we use to have a lot of awesome fair played wars against kc in general. It's just that this situation happened again in comps.

    Let's put an example to see how we are forbidden to take advantage of the rules.

    I told Michel to not upload his conditional video. Why? Because he has shown his evidence that he is innocent in his conditional case. Bounty asked for it and there it is.

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    Nobody has replied to that, but we might assume that's your bussiness. So, since he has supported his evidence that it was not him the one who was hacking in a ww, we aren't going to upload his vids despite that he's still in the conditional list. Noctu could play without sanctions because he could prove that he has registrered that fc in other leagues despite that it wasn't registrered here according to rules. So Michel will play because he has shown his evidence to be innocente despite being in the conditional list.

    I think it's a fair deal.

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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Ganon on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:54 am

    Noctu is a KC member since early '09. This FC mess is due to his wii being robbed, then he borrowed mine, and eventually purchased another one. That's why, his FC might not be up to date everywhere.
    Nothing to compare with your supposed "powerful" allies here and there, he played because he is a KC member, btw he didn't even sup 70 in this war.
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by PekeLexi on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:13 pm

    Why is it so hard to understand that if they player isnt registered no matter what his points don't count? Look at Nw vs nS last year, our player had been on transfer list since 6 days and the points didnt count, your player wasnt even in the change fc topic. so stfu, and take your defeat KC.


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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Aizen on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:35 pm

    Thanks, but no, we prefer Zero's decision.
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by CHEE2E12 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:02 pm

    PekeLexi wrote:Why is it so hard to understand that if they player isnt registered no matter what his points don't count? Look at Nw vs nS last year, our player had been on transfer list since 6 days and the points didnt count, your player wasnt even in the change fc topic. so stfu, and take your defeat KC.

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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Bounty on Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:42 pm

    @Michael on Conditionals.

    I was going to talk to the other staff about whether we should take him off since Bengi said he hacked under his name but that completely slipped my mind. I apologize if that caused any inconvenience.


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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Zero on Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:14 pm

    My decision on the unregistered FC is final. There is no reason I should deduct well-earned points from KC because of a little mishap with an FC. If there was no way to prove Noctu played I would have a different view, but it is clear Noctu played and taking away a deserved win is not something I aim to do.

    Regarding conditionals, I don't think it is fair to compare a wrong FC to a missing conditionals video, especially when there are still some questions about Michel's conditionals case. I'm not sure exactly what Bounty told you in the past but for the time being, Michel is still on conditionals and must upload the required footage. Cooperating with conditional rules will help your case and eventually get you off conditionals if everything goes smoothly.

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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by BlackMagic on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:16 pm

    make sure Noctu posts a picture of his updated fcs himself by Saturday.
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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by BWP Michel on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:28 pm

    then what I mean is that although the person present was the video of the bash, ER7 Bengi, telling you that he was confessing and asking him out on me and take me out of the conditional, and in spite of it'll still be there?

    besides that under their rules, you can not play with unregistered code, but noctu could violate that rule saying that your code is registered to another page, and also did not do anything, rules are rules, if you do not meet can not continue to compete well, either way, it shows that if you can break the rules and not BWP,


      but anyway, if so will it segir with preferences and rules that some teams if they can not not worth segir segir here,

    Do what you want with conditional rules, I do not care, I'll talk with my team to continue playing here no longer


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    Post by ★Sonι¢ζ☆ on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:30 pm

    PekeLexi wrote:Why is it so hard to understand that if they player isnt registered no matter what his points don't count? Look at Nw vs nS last year, our player had been on transfer list since 6 days and the points didnt count, your player wasnt even in the change fc topic. so stfu, and take your defeat KC.

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    Re: [W3] ĸoopa ¢lan 8ĸ 384 - 348 Best World Players

    Post by Mighty on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:38 pm

    Michel didn't need to show his conditionals, like Bounty said. Sorry for the confusion regarding the lack of updates on the banned and conditionals list, Wally, who owns both threads, is no longer on the council. I'll do what I can to make sure it gets fixed soon. I apologize again for any inconvenience.


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